tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771056772007230891.post8604791671639288556..comments2024-03-12T09:12:39.608+00:00Comments on libfocus - Irish library blog: Promoting Open Access --- Within ReasonUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771056772007230891.post-18497676834262742872014-04-30T15:05:57.621+01:002014-04-30T15:05:57.621+01:00Hi Micah, thank you for your comment.
If you can ...Hi Micah, thank you for your comment.<br /><br />If you can reference OA literature only and if it works given the<br />material that you're discussing, analyzing, researching, etc.,<br />then sure, I see no reason why it can't work in some very limited<br />situations. But most literature still does not exist as OA,<br />including most of what was published before the Internet, and I<br />think it's safe to say that ignoring that literature would be<br />negligent in most situations. Much knowledge exists in containers<br />that are not easy to access and that lack of ease does not justify<br />pretending it does not exist. That is, it does not seem reasonable<br />to me to imagine that no conversations take place or have taken<br />place in literature that is not easy to access. Furthermore, and<br />as a counter example, consider the importance and seriousness of<br />due diligence as it relates to the John Hopkins case at the link<br />below (do a page search for "For studies involving drugs for which<br />the FDA" to jump to the relevant text). I cannot imagine your<br />situation being applicable in that situation.<br /><br />http://www.jhu.edu/~jhumag/0202web/trials.html<br /><br />What I think this is really about is immediate access and not just<br />open access. Personally, I'm fine waiting a few days or even<br />longer for my library to inter-library loan an article or retrieve<br />it from an off-site repository if I think the information is<br />important (also, out of curiosity, I've called my public library<br />to see if they could retrieve articles that others have criticized<br />for not being direct link accessible -- and they can, but granted,<br />public libraries vary in capability). While I certainly look<br />forward to living in a world where there is a justified<br />expectation that I can click on a link to an article (e.g., a DOI<br />link) and be taken directly to the green or gold OA version, I<br />think that world is still a ways off. <br /><br />There's an interesting conflict here, I think, arising out of<br />librarians' duty to provide access, but it's easily resolvable.<br />Librarians can do their darnedest to make sure more and more<br />literature is available as OA, forward and past (and I think that<br />I, among others, have shown that they are doing this rather<br />successfully --- see link below). In the meantime, they can make<br />sure that they are helping people get access to that which is not<br />yet available at the click of a single link. The is a long haul<br />process though.<br /><br />http://uknowledge.uky.edu/slis_facpub/8/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422024535672231039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771056772007230891.post-13556708361907018472014-04-30T09:33:11.562+01:002014-04-30T09:33:11.562+01:00I would agree with all comments on this post. When...I would agree with all comments on this post. When I read initially I took from it that there was a priviliging of OA being sought at the expense of pay walled - ie exclude it from your research as Mike Taylor and Yihui Xie if it is not freely available. This for me is worrying - especially in the disciplines where research has practical everyday implications for peoples lives - in this case it would be immoral to not use the best material - OA or pay walled - that is available. Martin O Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743188580566402004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771056772007230891.post-63838282483117652014-04-29T14:26:25.057+01:002014-04-29T14:26:25.057+01:00Sean,
I read the article the same way Michelle d...Sean, <br /><br />I read the article the same way Michelle did, but I see your points also. Here's a practical example that might illustrate the issue:<br /><br />A journal I am on the editorial board for, In the Library with the Lead Pipe, publishes exclusively online, open access, in HTML. Our audience ranges from academic libraries to public libraries. We encourage linking AND referencing so that anyone who reads the articles published there can get back to the source material. In the most recent article there, of which I am a co-author, I made deliberate decisions to cite published versions of articles, but to only link to open access versions. My preference for OA sources is because I know that a large percentage of our readership does not have access to academic journal subscriptions. In that sense, I think this practice is not only fair and good, but responsible. <br /><br />Arguments that privilege scholarly literature as only existing to serve the scholarly literate make no sense to me. I'd echo Mike Taylor and say that paywalls end the discussion; open access facilitates it. Micah Vandegrifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15075501204564700659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771056772007230891.post-48685714402557643362014-04-28T19:50:12.744+01:002014-04-28T19:50:12.744+01:00Thanks Sean. Those two comments make very interest...Thanks Sean. Those two comments make very interesting reading in terms of elucidating researchers' workflows, and it is very likely that such statements will become more commonplace (and even more ardent!) in the coming years. Michelle Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459103029885548217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771056772007230891.post-19399310612053018972014-04-28T16:16:54.785+01:002014-04-28T16:16:54.785+01:00Thanks Michelle.
I agree that there is an overall...Thanks Michelle.<br /><br />I agree that there is an overall emphasis on versioning in<br />Dunleavy's essay (which is problematic too), but there are certain<br />appeals to obligations that he makes that are concerning. For<br />example, consider that he writes that "Referencing should connect<br />readers as far as possible to open access sources, and scholars<br />should in all cases and in every possible way treat the open<br />access versions of texts as the primary source," I think the<br />second half of that sentence supports your reading of the essay,<br />but I think the first half of the sentence supports mine. I hope I<br />haven't treated Dunleavy unfairly, but there is an OA preferencing<br />here that I think we need to be careful about and that is part of<br />a group of other comments on the subject. Consider, e.g., these<br />two comments by others:<br /><br />1. "If I cannot read the full content of a paper from my Google<br />search, I will not bother to read it at all." --Yihui Xie<br /><br />http://yihui.name/en/2013/02/publishing-from-r-knitr-to-wordpress/<br /><br />2. "I find myself, without having intended to, approaching the<br />position that anything behind a paywall is not part of the<br />conversation. That position surprises me; but I suspect within<br />three or five years it'll be pretty common." --Mike Taylor<br /><br />https://plus.google.com/u/0/+CSeanBurns/posts/7jijkdjTVD5Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422024535672231039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771056772007230891.post-1981110840912250722014-04-28T13:56:13.105+01:002014-04-28T13:56:13.105+01:00Thanks for a really interesting post Sean. From my...Thanks for a really interesting post Sean. From my reading of Patrick Dunleavy's post on modernising citation practices (which I thought was excellent!), I understood that it was not about solely reading/citing OA material, but rather citing the open version where available as the primary source (and cross-referencing the published/paywalled version in the secondary instance, rather than the other way round which is the case generally today). This makes sense to me, and does not interfere with a researcher's frequent need to use and cite paywalled material.<br /><br />Thanks again for a very interesting discussion!<br />Michelle Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459103029885548217noreply@blogger.com